Gay Marriage

[Welsh-Angel]

I could understand if you meant they came on to you or something lol

[NathanMorgan]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Jonathan]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

would you care to expand on that? what 'two wrongs'?

[NathanMorgan]

It was delivered in a sarcastic tone. Blatantly coming out with what those "two wrongs" are (more so than I already have anyway) would ruin the sarcastic tone.

[Philosobassist]

I think that the issue that most of you are missing is the fact that we have somehow segued into a different issue here, that is, 'is gay adoption acceptable'? As I see it this topic started by discussing the marriage itself, an issue to which I do not believe anyone (who is not religious) can possibly have any rational objection. Homosexuals do not choose to be so, it is how you are "made", just like skin colour or handedness. Would you deny marriage to a left-handed person because they are in the minority, and hence not 'normal'? No. So why is homosexuality any different? It is an involuntary state. Marriage is the ultimate expression of commitment and love between two people. Put two and two together, there is nothing wrong with it.

I understand that the gay adoption front is a far more debatable issue. Personally I cannot give a concrete opinion; it always depends on the circumstances of potential quality of life and all sorts. But as for the marriage, absolutely acceptable. No questions.

[NathanMorgan]

I think that the issue that most of you are missing is the fact that we have somehow segued into a different issue here, that is, 'is gay adoption acceptable'? As I see it this topic started by discussing the marriage itself, an issue to which I do not believe anyone (who is not religious) can possibly have any rational objection. Homosexuals do not choose to be so, it is how you are "made", just like skin colour or handedness. Would you deny marriage to a left-handed person because they are in the minority, and hence not 'normal'? No. So why is homosexuality any different? It is an involuntary state. Marriage is the ultimate expression of commitment and love between two people. Put two and two together, there is nothing wrong with it.

I understand that the gay adoption front is a far more debatable issue. Personally I cannot give a concrete opinion; it always depends on the circumstances of potential quality of life and all sorts. But as for the marriage, absolutely acceptable. No questions.

Are you gay? 

[NeSS]

Would that have anything to do with the validity of his points?

[NathanMorgan]

Well, generally speaking, yes. His views would be biased.

[Jonathan]

Well, generally speaking, yes. His views would be biased.

OMG, what the hell are you on...then  why are your views not bias cus you are hetro?...using this random and senseless argument then no one could ever talk about anything...because everyone is bias

[Philosobassist]

I think that the issue that most of you are missing is the fact that we have somehow segued into a different issue here, that is, 'is gay adoption acceptable'? As I see it this topic started by discussing the marriage itself, an issue to which I do not believe anyone (who is not religious) can possibly have any rational objection. Homosexuals do not choose to be so, it is how you are "made", just like skin colour or handedness. Would you deny marriage to a left-handed person because they are in the minority, and hence not 'normal'? No. So why is homosexuality any different? It is an involuntary state. Marriage is the ultimate expression of commitment and love between two people. Put two and two together, there is nothing wrong with it.

I understand that the gay adoption front is a far more debatable issue. Personally I cannot give a concrete opinion; it always depends on the circumstances of potential quality of life and all sorts. But as for the marriage, absolutely acceptable. No questions.

Are you gay? 

No I'm not, but I have friends who are and so I have grounds for my arguments, unlike you it seems. You assert with no justification that because I'm fighting for gay rights I must be so. Rubbish! Do animals run animal rights organisations? And it worries me that you put the 'shocked' emoticon after the question.

I've answered your question, so now answer mine:

Are you a homophobe?

[NathanMorgan]

This is quite simple then: It’s not your fight. What’s so shocking about the shocked emoticon? Are you implying that to be gay is to be normal? If so, then gays wouldn’t be the minority. That’s why if I see two gay people kissing, yes, I am taken a back by that, as I’m not used to seeing it.
I too have a friend that is gay. I consider him a great friend, but we’re polar opposites on more than just our preferred sexual preference. I don’t agree with homosexuality, but I wouldn’t say I’m a homophobe. On some respects I can be. If I see two camp males, who for some reason want to let everyone in the world know they are gay, then yes, I am very much a homophobe. However, if the people are like my friend, are gay but don’t seem to parade this to everyone, then I have no problem with that.
So, am I a homophobe? You decide.

  Oh and yes, I'm just using that emoticon out of spite now 

[Ryan]

So, am I a homophobe? You decide.

Yes, but there's no problem with that, as homosexuality is not normal. If it was normal and natural, it would be wrong for you to be repulsed. But, as it stands, homosexuality is some sort of a mental disorder.

[Welsh-Angel]

I could with it being a mental thing but its not some illness or something serious, its just one of those things that may happen in your life. i have no problem with gays or lesbians or even bisexuals but if they are snogging or doing anything inappropriate infront of me that i don't want to see then i would find it a problem. Other than that.....nothing.

[Jonathan]

" But, as it stands, homosexuality is some sort of a mental disorder."

And i asume you would obviously want to 'help the sick' so would this come in the form of help from the NHS?
I don't see how you can see it as a mental disorder..someone who takes pleasure in making someones life a missery, that is a mental disorder, however, if someone feels happyer being with someone who they love, weather they are of the the same sex or not, is that not just being human?

Obviously though out our life we all create freindships and relationships with those that we know, and love is just an extended freindship as such, where one cares about there other person greatly, why should you have the right to claim someone hads a mental disorder because they have fallen in love with someone of te same sex?

Just becasue you do not consider it normal doesn't make it wrong, it was only a few decades ago it was not seen as normal for a white man to marry a black woman...did that mean that the white man had a mental disorder?

We are all (i hope) mature enough here to respect other peoples choices in life, whether or not they would be the choices we make does not matter, why should someone be forced to live by your beliefs?

[Philosobassist]

I can't believe you describe homosexuality as a 'mental disorder'! This is, I have to tell you, absolute rubbish. Define 'mental disorder' and go an do some biology research, then I will consider your point further, but as it stands that is a completely unsound argument.