Islam - Religion of Peace?

[NathanMorgan]

It looks to me like you’re actually trying to defend their way of life and method of thinking. I don’t get why people try and defend Islam. Yes, many of its adherents are brainwashed from a young age, and it’s not exactly their fault that they’ve been brainwashed in such a manner, it is the fault of the religion. That doesn’t mean that the people who adhere to this religion, and as a direct result carry out attacks of jihad related terrorism, should be let off the hook simply because it’s in their religion. People with their inherent method of thinking cannot be bargained with. They cannot be reasoned with. No form of intelligent discourse to suggest their god doesn’t exist or that their religion is wrong makes these people stop and think that said discourse could actually be right. Anyway, I’m going slightly off point here.

To answer your points:

1. I’d hate to even imagine what I’d be like. Luckily enough I wasn’t raised in an Islamic country.
2. Last century Britain was very much a white, Christian country, and to this day it is still thought as such by many. Many European countries also have high Christian values and followers, and this has been like this for a while. The idea of multiculturalism, at least in Britain, is a relatively new idea. It’s become evident to almost everyone that it’s a social engineering experiment which didn’t turn out to well.
3. I’m going to have to disagree with you there. Racism Isn’t determined by faith and economic circumstance. People don’t count people slagging of Christianity or Buddhism as racist, only Islam. Ask yourself why that is. And, economic circumstances? Like poor and rich? So the snobby middle classes that make fun of poorer working classes are racist? I’m either not getting your point, or I’m getting it but it’s incorrect.

[Judean Peoples Front]

Nathan, Not to defend the way of life of a different ethno-religious group but to explain it. I believe that you are confused between being Islamic. an Islamist and an Islamist with terrorist intentions. 99.999% of people in the Islamic Faith have, and will never have any ambitions towards martyrdom, the vast majority of Islamists also will also not approve of murder-suicide but regrettably some will.

 I do not think that you can consider yourself lucky not to be Islamic, I am not a Muslim but I envy friends who have a close and wide circle of relatives and friends who support each other in the manner of many Muslim families. So that for me is my answer to point one of your post.

No2. Why is the delusion of a white, christian country so important to you. The vast majority of residents in UK have no faith whatsover and in actual fact your very own points argue against the usefulness of a strong faith tradition in producing a fairer and more peaceful society.

Martin Amis wrote once of the similarity between being a Saudi and a Texan.

Texas is really hot, has a lot of oil, its churches are overflowing and it executes at least one person every week, bit like Saudi Arabia really.

No3, you are beginning to evolve slight racist tendencies at a young age illustrated by the opinion that to be white and christian is a superior position to any other race/faith. I have to totally disagree with this shallow and blinkered world view. This is a strong accusation and it may be painful for you to deal with it.

I would close by utterly refuting your suggestion that multi-culturalism (immigration) was some type of social engineering experiment. I think that you will eventually agree that economic neccessity dictated by the global flow of capital determines the ingress of extra citizens into the UK. Refugees and political asylum individuals will always be welcome here if arriving with a genuine case.

J.P.F

[Welsh-Angel]

I think maybe we need to learn more about the muslim religion since they are misundertstood. And the muslims that immagrate to the uk need to follow our laws dispite their religion, if we have to do it in their country why shouldn't they follow ours.

[Judean Peoples Front]

Welsh

I think that you will find that Muslims are a very law abiding group within the UK. Islamist terrorists are of course a very different matter, only being a sub .001% minority within the Faith Tradition.

J.P.F

[Welsh-Angel]

Even if they are law abiding, do you think they are just abiding to their law?

[danty]

The main problem is not muslims and law, but muslims and CULTURE. Muslims do generally follow our laws, but, as with any other minority, they expect us to create loopholes in our laws to fit around their culture/religion.

My main issue is that if I went to any muslim-dominant country, I would not be permitted to start up a Christian church there - in fact, any religious building related to Christ would almost certainly be burned down. Further, American culture allows them to carry guns (Second Ammendment gives americans "The Right to bear arms") - If an American came to the UK, would we adjust our laws to accomodate their homely right to carry a weapon? Of course not. So why bend the law so Sikhs can carry swords? Why bend our Christian morals to allow others to build Synagogues and Mosques in which to preach terror (I am not suggesting in the slightest that Jews and Muslims incite terror, I am just suggesting that there is a distinct possibility)

Brittain has always been a Christian-dominated country following the path of Jesus Christ for many centuries. Why change it for the 20th Century? It's not like they'll change their culture to fit me in ...

[Welsh-Angel]

The UK already has Synagogues and Mosques lol.

[danty]

Read my post carefully - you will see that I didn't suggest for a minute that there wasn't - I was merely complaining that there WAS.

~Matt

[Welsh-Angel]

My apologies.....misred.

[Deejamesey]

To argue that we have been a christian culture and country and as such it becomes an issue to you to have synagogues or mosques seems somewhat self-defeatist. if you establish grounds for a reasonable faith on the length of time it has been present or existant then you in actuality denounce christianity - it being one of the youngest religions currently around, and certainly by no means the most peaceful or law-abiding. Have you so quickly forgotten things like the omaha bombings, or even the kkk who because burnt crosses in a warped interpretation of their own faith and put people to death on the grounds of skin colour? to look at a religion that in its past has pushed its faith on and persecuted others based on self-righteous and misguided belief and say that "this is right, others are terrorists or murderers" simply suggests a desire to hide in a comfort zone at best and deep rooted xenophobia and racism at worst.

[thatguy]

To start off, I mean no disrespect to anyone.
All I know is that Muslims don't stick up their middle finger for the whole world to see. I guess you don't think that has anything to do with peace.Islam is very peaceful. People pray to their lord and worship him and fast. They are kind to others. Is this not peace. The people that are so called "bombers" are just a bunch of extremist who go against the Quran and think they are doing everything correctly. Islam teaches people to have the most respect for women and peers and parents and elders. Something I see very little of from many of the Christians I see. If you study a little, you will know about it. You apparently think that you are peaceful, yet you bashfully criticize the religion of islam. (if you haven't noticed I am talking to NathanMorgan)I don't think that is peace. Peace is kindly trying to talk to people and get their feedback instead calling people's religions names. You cannot all of Islam bad just because a small group of people do bad things. I know many people who do terrible thing, but at the end of the day they still call themselves faithful to their religion. Does you religion teach that? I beg you to do some research before you write anything. Thank You for your time.

[Razaz Elsheikh]

i am a muslim, having read the holy Quran so many times, there isnt one word that support any terrorist attack of killing inoccent people, infact it highlights the importance of justice and peace, some people just grow up being taught the wrong thing or being extreamist on things that the Quran does NOT support, its sad really to see Muslims around the world doing things that would just distroy the image of Islam for Non-Musim People.