Missing 4 yr old Madeleine McCann, do her parents deserve support?

[NathanMorgan]

I was thinking: was it a child smuggling ring that took her? A paedophile? A paedophilia ring? A randomer? Whoever it was…ask yourself this: who the hell isn’t able to capture a child? They’re stupid, unaware and un-streetwise. Bloody hell, look at the amount of them that die in fires all the time, every year without fail. Haha… what kind of reject dies in a fire? How fast do flames move or spread anyway? Not that fast, cause when I’m out camping, hunting, or just burning my little cousins toys, the flame takes AGES to go anywhere. I’m pretty sure that on average, most conventional house fires spread at about half a mile in an hour (don’t quote me). OOO, a fire? Big deal, just jump through the flames and stop being suck a pussy. Everyone is going to think you’re a total reject if you don’t anyway, so you’ve got nothing to lose. Either way, it would be pretty awesome to run out of a building whilst on fire…damn that’d be cool, girls would be all over you for being such a man. Anyway, back on topic…..

Think about it this way, the parents left their kid. First mistake. What kind of jackass leaves their kid alone in a foreign country whilst they go and enjoy a 5 star meal with all the trimmings. Still hungry? Eat this: you’re idiots, and because of that you’re daughter’s been taken from you. Big deal. Happens more often than you’d think. Smuggling rings and paedophile rings take children all the time, they just take them, simple. A lot of it goes unreported. I’m not saying this isn’t a sad thing to have happened, it is, but for Christ sake, she’s gone and probably isn’t coming back.

Kids are dense anyway. Anyone ever hear of that kid named Erica Pratt? When she was about 7 years old she was kidnapped.  She was tied up with duck tape, her arms and legs bound by it, and she was left in the bottom of some basement in some building. Did she lie back and take it like a pussy? Hell no! She bit her way through the duck tape and proceeded to break a window and escape, crawling her way back home. She was back in no time, well, by the next day…before her parents could rejoice of having one less s*itty kid. Either way, she was 7 and she got away from her captures. I know Maddy is only 4, but she’ll have many a time to escape, and when the time comes lets hope she takes it.

The parents are dips*its. Simple as that. Maddy isn't coming back...and the world revolves (or at least it should - and it's about time it did)

Full agreement with Dantyboi on this one.

[legionreturns]

Bloody hell, look at the amount of them that die in fires all the time, every year without fail. Haha… what kind of reject dies in a fire? How fast do flames move or spread anyway? Not that fast, cause when I’m out camping, hunting, or just burning my little cousins toys, the flame takes AGES to go anywhere. I’m pretty sure that on average, most conventional house fires spread at about half a mile in an hour (don’t quote me).

Actually it's a good deal faster than that and the biggest hazard is in fact being overcome with fumes long before you get burned. The official target for evacuation is 2 minutes from ignition, this is the standard schools and businesses need to meet to succesfully pass a monitored evacuation test in order to be signed off and this is what qualified Fire Wardens have to know and ensure is met. If you look at the Bradford Fire (The football stadium) the first sign of smoke is less than two minutes before the full raging inferno that killed so many. You know this because the match clock is still running in the top corner of the screen. IN a house the hazards are worse because it is enclosed and the fumes cannot escape.

Chris (Qualified Fire Marshall and Working Safely accredited by IOSH - Institute of Occupational Safety and Health)

Back on topic then...

[danty]

So the majority of parents don't deserve their children either?

According to doctors, leaving your children at home alone where anything can happen means you should get your child taken off you by social services.

I'm just saying, one rule for some, a different for others. Hardly the fair approach.

[Ryan]

The official target for evacuation is 2 minutes from ignition, this is the standard schools and businesses need to meet to succesfully pass a monitored evacuation test in order to be signed off and this is what qualified Fire Wardens have to know and ensure is met.

Lol.

You are not serious? There is no way this is serious. My school has a fire drill (usually some moron delinquent setting the alarm  off) about once a month. There is NO way that even half the school is out in two minutes. Everyone just uses the fire bell as an excuse to get out of class and have a leisurely stroll to the gathering point. I'd say for my school it is closer to about 6 or 7 minutes.
It's been that way since at least September 1st 2001 (when I joined) and continues to be just as bad.

Is that two minute evacuation true?

[legionreturns]

It is indeed the Fire Brigade recommended timescale for evacuation. That is how quickly a fire can spread from ignition to deadly and it is earlier still for fumes. I would suggest that in a *real* fire your fellow students would move a bit quicker!

[theworldsucks]

god i really hate your ignorance!! it aint the bloody fire that kills you its the smoke, yes you can get away from a naked flame quick enough but 9time out of ten it smoke inhalation that kills people!!
 

[legionreturns]

god i really hate your ignorance!! it aint the bloody fire that kills you its the smoke, yes you can get away from a naked flame quick enough but 9time out of ten it smoke inhalation that kills people!!
 

Who was that directed at? The person who said "It's the fumes that get you before the fire" or someone other than me?!

[Welsh-Angel]

I have a funny feeling that she will end up with her kidnapper for years and years til she grows up and she will say that her parent gave up on looking for her and they don't care but then that depends if they will eventually stop looking for her like what happened with the girl that was snatched and parents looked for her, gave up, the girl lived a happy life with her kidnapper eventually and when she got to 18 she mourned her kidnapper as he killed himself by running infront of a train purposly and she didn't want to see her parents because they had stopped looking for her and she thought they didn't care about her anymore but they thought she may have been dead.

[Philosobassist]

Haha… what kind of reject dies in a fire? ... Everyone is going to think you’re a total reject if you don’t [jump through flames] anyway

So if someone died in a housefire you would actually think that of them? You would stand by the smouldering wreckage and say to yourself: "what a reject, he died, and it was only a raging housefire"? How disrespectful is that?

before her parents could rejoice of having one less s*itty kid.

Ridiculous. If your seven-year old sibling/child was kidnapped would you throw a party in celebration of not having to deal with them anymore?

Sorry, I know this is right of topic but I couldn't allow that to not go flagged up.

[legionreturns]

It does smack a little of being a bit of a twat doesn't it? Thankfully, according to his profile, he is only 16 and it is therefore excusable behaviour for one who knows nothing about the world yet. One can only hope that by the time he has kids of his own (not likely with opinions like that but anyway!) he has grown up a little.

[Gantidge]

Don't you think that by this time, anyone who comes forward with information will be so heavily scrutinised and suspected that no one would come forward? Unless of course you just wanted media attention, in which case that's just as bad.

And there's no way a 4 year old girl could evade her capturers and escape back to her parents. Firstly, if I was going to kidnapp a 4 year old (obvious replies not needed here) I'd start by saying her parents said it's ok. This would stop the child feeling scared in the short-term. Keeping the child away from a TV would eliviate any confusion by her, even though at 4, the odds of her seeing the news and understanding what's going on is very small. Thirdly, wouldn't you have someone guarding her all the time? Just in case? Someone can leave and get food w/e very easily, but it only takes one person to stop a child from leaving. Even if she did escape, I bet it would be a lot longer before someone recognised her, because even if you were in the area, you wouldn't personally be on the hunt for her would you? Furthermore, if you handed her in, you'd be under so  much scrutiny and be accused so heavily, after all, if she scaped you wouldn't know who her kidnappers were, and you'd have to say 'I just found her', which wouldn't go down very well with the police.

Then again, she could be found by tomorrow, and the kidnappers handing themselves in, and roses spring up and everyone holds hands and sings. But probably not.

[Philosobassist]

Don't you think that by this time, anyone who comes forward with information will be so heavily scrutinised and suspected that no one would come forward?

Not if they're innocent. Anywho that's the idea of the reward. Her parents just want help, no matter where it comes from.

This would stop the child feeling scared in the short-term.

You're kidding?

Keeping the child away from a TV would eliviate any confusion by her, even though at 4, the odds of her seeing the news and understanding what's going on is very small.

And above 4, wouldn't they realise what you're trying to do?

escape back to her parents.

You forgot one very important point. She's in Portugal (at least she was when she disappeared), so she won't even know the way 'home', which she might if she were back in Blighty.

[Gantidge]

If you were four, and someone said it was ok for you to go with them, your parents said they were your babysitter or summink, you'd have gone wouldn't you? I didn't get the don't-talk-to-strangers discussion til I was 16... (I'm joking)

[Philosobassist]

Joking about all of that, or just the last bit?

Because I don't know about you but when I was 4 I wouldn't go with someone if my parents hadn't told me themselves, in person, it was OK to do so.

[Gantidge]

Wouldn't you? I probably would have. And how do you know Madeline's parents never reinforced that with her either?